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Mhm, sometimes people just go inactive. That's also a thing that's happened.

8:19 PM

We've had some experience with all three.

How many of you are able to give them a random math question, keep your mind blank while waiting for an answer and then answer it yourself to see if it matches up?

It just doesnt work like that

That sounds like parallel processing to me. Not a lot of tulpamancers can do that, as not a lot of tulpamancers believe it's it's possible.

11:33 AM

We've been trying to train ourselves to parallel process, and it's quite difficult even on a far more minor scale, so I don't think many people will be able to answer your question.

Is it easier to send each other visualised images such as memes? I don't expect it to be the most crisp image but just enough information

Possible, yes, and definitely easier by far.

I'd imagine harder than that would be improvisng music together where each headmate chooses an instrument

Potentially.

9:04 PM

Its extremely difficult, if not impossible for many to simultaneously engage in activities with tulpas.

9:05 PM

It's generally a back-and-forth rhythm when it comes to communicating and participating in activities together.

Does that include giving feedback while engaging in media together, maybe as demanding as video games?

Hmm, I wouldn't say so. Maybe for a newer tulpa, but they can probably get to a point where thats possible

9:08 PM

Since they're simply observing what you're doing through your POV.

My tulpa feels like a separate consciousness and I've been told that that's not how it works, what do you think is going on?

I mean, it's subjectivem

It’s not really how it works but it can feel that way and I don’t think it’s harmful

"Consciousness" and "individuality" are quite subjective depending on who you ask.

9:12 PM

Personally, I believe everyone in my system functions off of a collective consciousness, and each of us have our own defined senses of self. Your definition might differ, though.

I think my definition differs, I feel as though having your own thoughts is enough to at the very least feel like we are each our own consciousness

9:17 PM

If they're viewing me doing stuff and have their own thoughts it at the very least feels that way

9:21 PM

Apparently it's possible to not have all of your host's memories, that is rather rare though, right? I'd imagine weirdness such as that not being consistent throughout the same system

It'd possible, but I don't see it as desirable.

9:23 PM

It's more common by far with dissociative disorders.

9:23 PM

Tulpamancy, it tends not be be a default trait.

It is not healthy to try to enforce such traits in a tulpa system

^ Seconding this.

I don't know why I would want to do that but I can imagine some people trying

Those are traits that come from DID or OSDD. These system types should not be our model for tulpa based systems as they are heavily disordered and disfunctional in most cases

9:25 PM

I have met people who want it, they are obsessed with seporation

It's far better to communicate boundaries than to forcibly repress things from your brainmates.

9:26 PM

I see repression as a highly undesirable final option.

9:27 PM

It's possible to train, I'm sure, but likely not easy or healthy for anyone involved.

Have any of you tried forcing while on a substance and has it changed the process in any direction? I'd imagine something such as marijuana being the most common.

I've met some people who have taken acid before, and smoke weed.

9:29 PM

We've never done it, but IIRC they said it had some benefits? I wouldn't take my information as gospel, though.

I've taken acid and shrooms but haven't forced on those, they would be especially at higher doses too strong to actually focus on forcing

9:30 PM

Even if you had a sheet of paper in front of you you'd still have fleeting thoughts (edited)

Reisen: Strong hallucinogens don't generally give results after the fact that help tulpamancy at all, so I wouldn't recommend them (for this reason, as well as others of course) (edited)

9:32 PM

Marijuana has different effects in general for everyone, but the bit we've heard has leaned towards it making it harder to focus. But really, experience varies a lot

I've sat down with a bong with the intention of forcing only to end up distracted by my thoughts

9:33 PM

Definitely not going to work for everyone

9:37 PM

My tulpa usually requires a prompt in order to "reenter existence" I wonder how that works exactly, any ideas on what might be going on where thinking of a tulpa causes it to suddenly exist again?

9:39 PM

I've had the rare moment where I'd watch or read something and they'd add a comment

Reisen: That's common, and probably even the default for most people (edited)

9:40 PM

You can work on creating triggers for them to become active on their own, and some systems are so used to tulpas commenting on happenings in the host's life that it happens constantly with no intent on their part

9:40 PM

But, I would say you usually need to work towards this on purpose (if you're interested)

We're used to the non-original fronting for large portions of the day, if not multiple days.

9:41 PM

Our original pops in, but she shares it equally with us, if not disproportionately in our favor.

Reisen: Goes both ways for switching systems, just "triggers for anyone-who-isn't-fronting to become active" and eventual "non-fronters naturally commenting/becoming active on their own" (edited)

9:42 PM

I would call this an optional, intentionally-developed tulpamancy skill.

The best way for us to keep people active is to have associations with members that you will see often in day to day life that will make you think of them or it is something they like

I've practiced prompting them by looking at objects while thinking of the tulpa commenting on them and they would deliver a short sentence on how they feel about them, still not past the rudimentary sentences phase

9:45 PM

I'm in a limbo where I at the very least can get responses but they're rather too short for conversations

9:45 PM

But that should get better with time (edited)

How long have you been going at it

January, not every day but maybe an hour a week

Thats not very much time a week

A big reason why is the self-defeating "they're not much to talk to rn"

Do you narrate?

I ask them questions

Narration can really be done while doing anything else in your daily life, so I consider it a nice easy way to force when you don’t want to sit down and actually meditate.

You gotta just parrot responces

I find it strange hoe parroting seems to work, I'd expect that to do nothing if I didn't read experiences

Reisen: (Parroting is good for people who don't struggle much with doubt, but for those who struggle to believe in their tulpas, it's possible to get stuck never believing your tulpas are actually speaking independently - your expectations shape your experience though, so this is manually avoidable/fixable) (edited)

I believe in my tulpa, when I ask questions I get an answer thats not coming from me, I just find it weird how making up their words for them can contribute to sapience development (edited)

9:56 PM

I tried parroting only to get an answer from them as though I wasn't lmao

9:57 PM

me: hello i'm the tulpa being parroted. tulpa: you think that worked?

Reisen: Parroting helps specifically with your brain expecting & allowing your tulpas to form fuller and more meaningful sentences, though the act of parroting itself doesn't necessarily contribute to sentience or general development; it's a vocality-training technique. (edited)

10:10 PM

You could say it more targets "developing tulpamancy for your brain" than it targets "developing your tulpa"

10:11 PM

For the record, I don't think practically anyone (who actively gives advice at least!) understands this, so you're not likely to have ever seen this explained before lol

10:12 PM

We're starting to feel more and more like we should just write a definitive tulpamancy guide, after being actively part of the community for longer than almost anyone else.

10:12 PM

(Many people in private communities have been going for as long or longer, but I wonder if they've been engaging with newbies trying to learn as much as we have, and not just talking to the same already-established systems?)

Allowing them to form fuller sentences does sound like contributing to sentience

Reisen: It's really more of a mental trick. As soon as your tulpa can speak in short words, nothing is stopping them from speaking in full sentences except for your brain not knowing how. (As an example of what this means, once your brain has learned this process very well, creating a new tulpa in the future shouldn't require much if any effort in the vocality department) (edited)

Parroting just leads to them answering me

Reisen: My host created another tulpa after us original three five years later & after extensive time spent in discussions on the forum, and that gave us some unique perspective on the differences in tulpamancy development for the brain versus a tulpa's development (edited)

10:17 PM

When first creating a tulpa, there's actually a lot of both going on at the same time - your tulpa developing as an established person in your brain, and also your brain learning tulpamancy (edited)

10:19 PM

Maybe that's a little complicated. We're good at giving random advice, but painting an in-depth full picture is hard for us to do in less than thousands of words... That's why we've never made a guide

_Dan

Parroting just leads to them answering me

This is basically optimal, since the point of parroting is to eventually trick your brain into letting your tulpa speak in more in-depth sentences.

I can't parrot without getting an answer from them so it just feels like I'm faking

Reisen: What do you mean, faking? Parroting is technically by definition "faking" - imagining what your tulpa would say for them, just to get your brain used to what them speaking more fully or more thoughtfully would be like. (edited)

10:21 PM

It's an optional technique since it doesn't sit well with everyone, and again, if you struggle with doubting then you can get stuck doubting your tulpas actually trying to speak

10:22 PM

But, it is nonetheless useful if it works for you, for aiding in vocality development

I know they exist, they have responses, the idea of parroting doesn't sit well with me

I would never recommend intentionally trying to parrot an already developed tulpa that can respond on their own, but a brand new tulpa it is completely acceptable and I’d say required. Tulpamancy is very much fake it until you make it in the most literal sense

Reisen: A lighter version of the same concept would be just imagining your tulpa speaking, imagining things they might say or do - but really just in your imagination, not with intent for it to actually be them. (edited)

I may continue just asking questions with more than like an hour a week

Reisen: There's less bridge to their actual vocality (and so also less chance to cause doubts about "them or not"), but it could still be helpful for your brain to draw upon those ideas. (edited)

10:26 PM

This is what our host did when creating Lucilyn, before actually intending to create her as a tulpa he spent a week thinking about who and how she would be, which included some imagined example conversations. It's hard to explain to a not-already-accomplished-tulpamancer how "just imagination" feels very different from actual intentful tulpa interaction, but oh well

10:28 PM

And again (said this somewhere the other day), she did change in some ways almost immediately after actually being created as a tulpa, so Lumi's thinking about her beforetime didn't "lock her" into anything per se, it just helped the brain along with a basis/reference for what she might be like.

10:29 PM

That's always optional as people will say, though I do think it makes initially learning tulpamancy a little harder if you don't do it. (edited)

I think I lack the imagination to just give them traits, also they just told me while typing this that they don't need any

Reisen: Sounds good to me (edited)

10:30 PM

Any tulpa will develop as a person by gaining experiences, which is why a tulpa who starts from no pre-existing-idea can still develop just fine. It just makes it harder for the host to start out the tulpamancy process if they don't have those expectations to rely on, you know?

The responses are too short for me to get a snapshot of their personality, and I think it might be too late anyway

I know this was already in the faq under like "can i still have a tulpa if i have a mental illness" and the answer was yes, but i'm still wondering like.. I have schizophrenia, and i'm wondering if it's a good idea for me to continue developing my tulpa. Is there anyone here who's schizophrenic and has some experience with this? I'm honestly not too worried about my own mental state given i'm medicated and will go on better medication soon, but i wonder if it fuels delusions at all or if schizophrenia interferes with the process at all

I do not have schizophrenia and have a minimal understanding of it so my opinon probably holds little to no water but I belive this is one of the mental illnesses that probably should avoid tulpamancy

12:57 AM

I have heard of people who made a tulpa that helped them with schizophrenia so it is possible but it could be very hard for you to tell if something is being said by your tulpa or just the schizophrenia.